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March 22, 2009

#239: Polar WIND power test

Filed under: Equipment, Training — Ryan @ 6:25 am

Since the weather was generally crappy yesterday, I put the Kuota up on the trainer to do a trainer ride. I moved the speed sensors to the rear wheel (against consel – Polar manual says not to). I needed to move it there to allow me to do a comparision of the watts versus speed for both bikes / power systems using my Kurt Kinetic trainer as teh go between.

Before putting it up on the trainer, I moved the speed sensor and the wheel magnet and got them to talk to each other as it were. But when I started riding, it looked like it was skipping a beat since I was getting readings of 3-6 mph… So I stopped and angled the sensor toward the wheel, problem fixed.

I started out my ride as a warmup around 200W in the little ring… No problem. The numbers “felt” right… My plan was to do a number of different intensity intervals for the dual purpose of a workout and to get some data for comparision. I want to get the numbers about right to help me with TT pacing. If 300 W on the screen = 250 W, for example the power meter won’t help anyone.

So I put in a VHS tape of the 1994 Pink Floyd Pulse Tour concert video and cranked it up for my workout. Once I got past my warmup, I put it in the big ring and watched my power drop… I was pushing 22-23 mph which should have been good for high 200’s wattage, but the Polar was showing 150W and even lower. Crap. The early optimism for this device was fading fast… If I can’t get power numbers in the 53×15 to 53×11 that won’t help any time trial I have ever done.

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Many zip ties (and an old tube) had to die that morning.

So I get off the bike and look at the chain and the sensor… time to make some changes. After several combination of the provided spacers, I ended up using cut up pieces of inner-tube to shim up the front end.

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Photos of the current install. Not perfect, but seems to be better in the big ring.

At the end of the ride, I wanted to see if I could figure out what gears (and their chain lines) worked better than others. I haven’t had time to fully work out that aspect, but it is clear that the power numbers for the Polar seem to skew lower. This can be corrected by increasing the chain linear density (g/mm)-once I get some more data. I half wonder if moving the speed sensor made things worse or is it that my on the road rides have been lower intensity / small ring type rides (or is there some harmonic due to the trainer / wheel being out of round or the effects of uneven chain tension around the pedal cycle, etc.) I did put it in the big ring on the road and when it was reporting 300W, it felt about right, but it is difficult to make those sort of judgments on the road.

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I have tons of data that I can get out of WKO+ for the Felt/SRM combo, but I had only this lower instensity workout from back in November already in the software. Between getting it out of WKO+ (I found using SRM format works best) and converting km/h to mph, etc it will take a little bit of time, and honestly, this is just a side side-project. Plenty else to do besides this! (Without going into the data deeply, the lower cluster of power numbers at ~20 mph and 150-175W were when in big ring combinations.)

3 Comments »

  1. I’ve been using the unit for about two months now. I find that (with compact 50/34) I don’t get accurate wattage on any rear cog larger than 17T riding INDOORS, especially on the big front ring. Numbers are drastically under-reported < 50% of reality). Outdoors everything seems to line up. I have read that the Polar NEEDS vibration from the road to give accurate readings. I try to stay in the 13-16T range indoors.

    I also noticed that what feels like a threshold wattage indoors is an all day pace outdoors, probably due to more efficient skin cooling. I’m good for 20 extra wattages outside. It’s not a great unit but given what I paid it’s still a bargain.

    Comment by Steve W — April 13, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

  2. since writing this post, I have had the same issue on the road. I was planning to jack up the chain tension sensor some more and center it better under the chain. I took it out on the road for some short TT efforts… I would roll along at 200-220W and then upshift and push what was easily 300+W…the wattage would drop down to 120W-130W. I haven’t given up, but I am close.

    Comment by Ryan — April 13, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

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